Comments on: Running OS X Tiger in Virtual PC 2007 for XP on a Mac Pro http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/ The workings of one David Paul Ellenwood Mon, 14 May 2012 14:22:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: DaveE http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-271 DaveE Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:23:33 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-271 I've had a lot of really good ideas here. In the end, it appears my exact goal really isn't possible as ArcaneCode and anonymous both mentioned. This is due to Virtual PC's natively PC environment. And even with another emmulator (such as PearPC or VMWare), I'd have to get a copy of the hacked Mac ISO's which I don't really desire to do. For now, I'm okay just using using Safari for Windows. I can live with that At least I can test all the major browsers on on machine now. And hopefully in the near future we can ALL forget about IE6. I’ve had a lot of really good ideas here. In the end, it appears my exact goal really isn’t possible as ArcaneCode and anonymous both mentioned. This is due to Virtual PC’s natively PC environment. And even with another emmulator (such as PearPC or VMWare), I’d have to get a copy of the hacked Mac ISO’s which I don’t really desire to do.

For now, I’m okay just using using Safari for Windows. I can live with that At least I can test all the major browsers on on machine now. And hopefully in the near future we can ALL forget about IE6.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-270 anonymous Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:22:12 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-270 Your post got me thinking, so I did some digging around. In that while, I found this: http://pcwizcomputer.com/software/vmwareosx86.htm VMWare Server is free, and you've already got the OSX license, so follow those steps (including getting the x86 iso, because your OSX native cd-roms probably won't work), and hey presto, you should be set. GL. Your post got me thinking, so I did some digging around. In that while, I found this:

http://pcwizcomputer.com/software/vmwareosx86.htm

VMWare Server is free, and you’ve already got the OSX license, so follow those steps (including getting the x86 iso, because your OSX native cd-roms probably won’t work), and hey presto, you should be set. GL.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-269 anonymous Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:44:57 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-269 ArcaneCode is right. VirtualPC still emulates x86 hardware - it won't pretend to be an Apple motherboard, which is what OSX needs to see to boot. Back in the day, VMWare Workstation used to be able to run MacOS under a Windows host. I tried it once or twice with OS9 (OSX was just about to be released). If I remember right, you needed a BIOS or BootRom image, but I don't remember for certain. Those would probably be available out on the internet, or you could pull an image out of your Macbook. Definitely look at VMWare as an option though. It may cost a little bit, unless you find a preconfigured player, but it will let you run other architectures. ArcaneCode is right. VirtualPC still emulates x86 hardware – it won’t pretend to be an Apple motherboard, which is what OSX needs to see to boot.

Back in the day, VMWare Workstation used to be able to run MacOS under a Windows host. I tried it once or twice with OS9 (OSX was just about to be released). If I remember right, you needed a BIOS or BootRom image, but I don’t remember for certain. Those would probably be available out on the internet, or you could pull an image out of your Macbook. Definitely look at VMWare as an option though. It may cost a little bit, unless you find a preconfigured player, but it will let you run other architectures.

]]> By: mumbles http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-268 mumbles Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:40:55 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-268 I think you can use pearpc which is a emulator. But does work well. I think you can use pearpc which is a emulator. But does work well.

]]> By: Ernest Kotey http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Ernest Kotey Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:41:40 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-77 You can run Mac on PearPC (free emulator) and on CherryOS (discontinued - I'm looking for this one.) Haven't tested it but they say it works on OS 10.3. I have a copy of 10.5 You can run Mac on PearPC (free emulator) and on CherryOS (discontinued – I’m looking for this one.) Haven’t tested it but they say it works on OS 10.3. I have a copy of 10.5

]]> By: Josh http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-74 Josh Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:33:41 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-74 This is an intentional limitation put forth by Apple. They do a lot to ensure the OS only runs on their specific machines, despite the fact that there is no technical reason for the need (there is now no longer a fundemental difference between there machines and everyone else), among which is checks for very specific chipset features. The VPC software exposes *almost* all of the hardware to the client OS, but that *almost* is not enough for OS X to verify it is running on official Apple software (can't really blame the VPC guys for this; 99% of the machines VPC would be run on don't have the necessary verification for OS X so this is a very edge case use scenario). So you can do any of the suggestions from the previous commentor, or, if you prefer to buckle some swashes you can look for one of the hacked pirated copies of OS X that do not have this check (so they can run on regular PCs). In this case I think you are completely justified in doing so, though having no experience with those versions I don't know if they are completely stable. This is an intentional limitation put forth by Apple. They do a lot to ensure the OS only runs on their specific machines, despite the fact that there is no technical reason for the need (there is now no longer a fundemental difference between there machines and everyone else), among which is checks for very specific chipset features.

The VPC software exposes *almost* all of the hardware to the client OS, but that *almost* is not enough for OS X to verify it is running on official Apple software (can’t really blame the VPC guys for this; 99% of the machines VPC would be run on don’t have the necessary verification for OS X so this is a very edge case use scenario).

So you can do any of the suggestions from the previous commentor, or, if you prefer to buckle some swashes you can look for one of the hacked pirated copies of OS X that do not have this check (so they can run on regular PCs). In this case I think you are completely justified in doing so, though having no experience with those versions I don’t know if they are completely stable.

]]> By: ArcaneCode http://www.davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/comment-page-1/#comment-69 ArcaneCode Mon, 21 May 2007 18:52:24 +0000 http://davidpaulellenwood.com/expression/162/#comment-69 I don't think you'll solve the problem with VPC, OSX just wasn't designed to run on the hardware emulated by VPC. Remember, VPC could care less what hardware you're actually using, all the guest OS (the one running in the VPC) knows about is what hardware VPC emulates. Your best bet is to run bootcamp and dual boot between XP and OSX. If you don't like the dual boot option, then instead I would suggest installing OSX as the primary OS on the MacPro. Then use Paralells (another virtual box, similar to VPC) to host XP. From what I understand Paralells does a great job with XP, many people run XP or even Vista in this fashion and say it works great. Leo Laporte, formerly of tech.tv and now at http://twit.tv loves this setup and uses it all the time. Good luck, Arcane I don’t think you’ll solve the problem with VPC, OSX just wasn’t designed to run on the hardware emulated by VPC. Remember, VPC could care less what hardware you’re actually using, all the guest OS (the one running in the VPC) knows about is what hardware VPC emulates.

Your best bet is to run bootcamp and dual boot between XP and OSX. If you don’t like the dual boot option, then instead I would suggest installing OSX as the primary OS on the MacPro. Then use Paralells (another virtual box, similar to VPC) to host XP.

From what I understand Paralells does a great job with XP, many people run XP or even Vista in this fashion and say it works great. Leo Laporte, formerly of tech.tv and now at http://twit.tv loves this setup and uses it all the time.

Good luck,

Arcane

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